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Help Installing RF "native" please
« on: April 20, 2007, 10:44:48 PM »

Hey....

I'm 2 months new to Forth, and brand new to RetroForth. After sampling Forth here and there, I want to test-drive a "native" Forth.

I have an old Pentium with a blank 2+Gig HDD sitting idle. I've just DLed 9.1.1 native.

Do I *have* to have an OS present on my HDD to get the Forth show on the road? If I need an OS can I use a minimal MSDOS setup?

Or is there a way to "rawrite" the Forth files onto a floppy boot disk?

Thanks for your help. L8r......
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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 05:28:51 PM »

RetroForth/Native currently needs another OS for installation purposes. I've installed it to a hard drive using a Linux live-cd to create the partitions and install GRUB. Another option would be to temporarily install the hard drive in another machine and install it there.

Instructions are at http://retroforth.com/wiki/?id=InstallingNative

Hopefully when I resume work on the native system this can be made less troublesome...
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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 01:29:29 AM »

Thanks Charles.....

I had read that link before leaving the message. But thanks! Another question ... do i have to use a flavor of Unix? I don't want to go thru the trouble of loading a Unix just to get RetroForth/Native happening. Can I do it from a minimum MSDOS install? TIA...

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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 04:16:25 AM »

Maybe.

I don't know of any DOS "fdisk" tools that allow setting of partition types, but if you can find one, it should be possible. (The next version of RetroForth/Native will have a way to change a partition type, though creating partitions may still be beyond its abilities). You will also need a way to copy RF/Native to the partition, again I'm not sure if there are any tools suitable for this.

If you can tolerate booting under DOS, mbload might work: http://my.execpc.com/CE/AC/geezer/temp/mbload.zip

Sorry I can't be more help, but it's been literally years since I ran DOS Sad
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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 07:32:42 AM »

DOS does have its own "fdisk" from which a partition can be set to a "primary" or "extended" DOS partition. Would that not do? I have a utility called rawrite.exe that writes a disk image file to a floppy disk. I suppose that I need to find the same thing for a HDD? TIA....
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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 12:25:28 AM »

The native system needs GRUB to boot, and I'm not aware of a way to install GRUB to a hard disk under DOS. In addition, the DOS fdisk's I've found so far don't allow setting the partition type (it should be a primary partition, of type 0x9e for RetroForth/Native to recognize it.)

It may be possible to change the partition type from inside RF/Native; I'll check this week. But you'll still need a way to get GRUB onto the hard disk...
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Re: Help Installing RF "native" please
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2007, 05:25:05 PM »

Hey...

Is this what is required:

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot/GRUB-for-DOS-3507.shtml

TTLY....
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